and you have a public education system that is being abandoned. and education is a way forward. you have incarceration, you have a declining investment in public infrastructure. so you have, again, this perfect storm where it's like, you're in the city of milwaukee, you're an african american man, and it's almost like you see the jobs of the promised land in the suburbs, but you can't get there. >> bill moyers: you noticed that keith stanley got a job with the city. >> barbara miner: exactly. and that what was so heartbreaking about the attack on the public sector by the republican governor and legislature in wisconsin -- >> bill moyers: governor scott walker. >> barbara miner: governor scott walker, yeah, we'll put a name to it, governor scott walker. because, you know, after the industrialization, the public sector was one of the avenues for a middle-class life, for the african american community in milwaukee. i mean, and you look at the percentages of african americans employed in the city, the county, the schools. and it wasn't just, you know, wages and stability, but they h